Braindead Trump supporter actually asks a Native American if he is in the country legally.
More like completely missing brain.
The guy should have added "and my ancestors weren't immigrants either. Of any kind. Did your ancestors enter the country legally?"
They also harassed a sitting congressman.
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Jackrabbit
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Braindead Trump supporter actually asks a Native American if he is in the country legally
Moe: "Why don't you get a toupee with some brains in it?" <whack!>
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Loren Pechtel
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[quote=""Jackrabbit""]Braindead Trump supporter actually asks a Native American if he is in the country legally.
More like completely missing brain.
The guy should have added "and my ancestors weren't immigrants either. Of any kind. Did your ancestors enter the country legally?"
They also harassed a sitting congressman.[/quote]
Not immigrants of any kind? You mean they aren't humans? Because humans evolved in Africa. If they evolved here they are a separate species.
More like completely missing brain.
The guy should have added "and my ancestors weren't immigrants either. Of any kind. Did your ancestors enter the country legally?"
They also harassed a sitting congressman.[/quote]
Not immigrants of any kind? You mean they aren't humans? Because humans evolved in Africa. If they evolved here they are a separate species.
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dancer_rnb
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Depends on the time frame. Some of my ancestors have been here for a few thousand years.
Newcomers who have only been here for a few hundred or less have no bragging rights.
Newcomers who have only been here for a few hundred or less have no bragging rights.
There is no such thing as "politically correct." It's code for liberalism. The whole idea of "political correctness" was a brief academic flash-in-the-pan in the early 1990's, but has been a good conservative bugaboo ever since.
[quote=""Loren Pechtel""]
An utterly meaningless comment, as it applies equally to every living human and thus fails to distinguish between them.
The indigenous populations of North America have obvious prior claim to any land within the US' territory, even if they'd held it only ten years prior to the arrival of our troops. If they were on it when our surveyors showed up, their claim is still demonstrably prior to ours.
Not immigrants of any kind? You mean they aren't humans? Because humans evolved in Africa. If they evolved here they are a separate species.[/QUOTE]Jackrabbit;683280 wrote:Braindead Trump supporter actually asks a Native American if he is in the country legally.
More like completely missing brain.
The guy should have added "and my ancestors weren't immigrants either. Of any kind. Did your ancestors enter the country legally?"
They also harassed a sitting congressman.
An utterly meaningless comment, as it applies equally to every living human and thus fails to distinguish between them.
The indigenous populations of North America have obvious prior claim to any land within the US' territory, even if they'd held it only ten years prior to the arrival of our troops. If they were on it when our surveyors showed up, their claim is still demonstrably prior to ours.
"The truth about stories is that's all we are" ~Thomas King
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dancer_rnb
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[quote=""Loren Pechtel""]
Europeans in Europe should stop bitching about immigrants then as well. They immigrated from Africa themselves at some point.
Not immigrants of any kind? You mean they aren't humans? Because humans evolved in Africa. If they evolved here they are a separate species.[/QUOTE]Jackrabbit;683280 wrote:Braindead Trump supporter actually asks a Native American if he is in the country legally.
More like completely missing brain.
The guy should have added "and my ancestors weren't immigrants either. Of any kind. Did your ancestors enter the country legally?"
They also harassed a sitting congressman.
Europeans in Europe should stop bitching about immigrants then as well. They immigrated from Africa themselves at some point.
There is no such thing as "politically correct." It's code for liberalism. The whole idea of "political correctness" was a brief academic flash-in-the-pan in the early 1990's, but has been a good conservative bugaboo ever since.
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Loren Pechtel
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[quote=""Politesse""]
The indigenous populations of North America have obvious prior claim to any land within the US' territory, even if they'd held it only ten years prior to the arrival of our troops. If they were on it when our surveyors showed up, their claim is still demonstrably prior to ours.[/QUOTE]
The point is everyone not in Africa was at some point an immigrant. "Native" really just means immigrated long ago.
An utterly meaningless comment, as it applies equally to every living human and thus fails to distinguish between them.Loren Pechtel;683286 wrote:Not immigrants of any kind? You mean they aren't humans? Because humans evolved in Africa. If they evolved here they are a separate species.Jackrabbit;683280 wrote:Braindead Trump supporter actually asks a Native American if he is in the country legally.
More like completely missing brain.
The guy should have added "and my ancestors weren't immigrants either. Of any kind. Did your ancestors enter the country legally?"
They also harassed a sitting congressman.
The indigenous populations of North America have obvious prior claim to any land within the US' territory, even if they'd held it only ten years prior to the arrival of our troops. If they were on it when our surveyors showed up, their claim is still demonstrably prior to ours.[/QUOTE]
The point is everyone not in Africa was at some point an immigrant. "Native" really just means immigrated long ago.
[quote=""Loren Pechtel""]
It is a meaningless "just" that tries to equivocate between two very different situations. An immigrant intentionally moves across a border, into a territory claimed by a nation-state. For indigenous peoples, the border of the nation-state is painted around (or straight through) where they already lived - they are offered no choice whatsoever, nor have they committed any crime.
The point is everyone not in Africa was at some point an immigrant. "Native" really just means immigrated long ago.[/QUOTE]Politesse;683289 wrote:An utterly meaningless comment, as it applies equally to every living human and thus fails to distinguish between them.Loren Pechtel;683286 wrote:Not immigrants of any kind? You mean they aren't humans? Because humans evolved in Africa. If they evolved here they are a separate species.Jackrabbit;683280 wrote:Braindead Trump supporter actually asks a Native American if he is in the country legally.
More like completely missing brain.
The guy should have added "and my ancestors weren't immigrants either. Of any kind. Did your ancestors enter the country legally?"
They also harassed a sitting congressman.
The indigenous populations of North America have obvious prior claim to any land within the US' territory, even if they'd held it only ten years prior to the arrival of our troops. If they were on it when our surveyors showed up, their claim is still demonstrably prior to ours.
It is a meaningless "just" that tries to equivocate between two very different situations. An immigrant intentionally moves across a border, into a territory claimed by a nation-state. For indigenous peoples, the border of the nation-state is painted around (or straight through) where they already lived - they are offered no choice whatsoever, nor have they committed any crime.
"The truth about stories is that's all we are" ~Thomas King
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Jackrabbit
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I see what you are saying. At the time of the spread from africa, there were no political entities to immigrate to. There was just land, all over the world, and it didn't belong to anyone yet.
So there was nothing wrong with my comment in the OP. The Native Americans weren't immigrants, but everybody else was. More precisely, the europeans were invaders rather than immigrants, since they didn't ask permission to enter. Then they created a political entity and accepted immigrants from other places. While relegating the actual owners to second class status.
So there was nothing wrong with my comment in the OP. The Native Americans weren't immigrants, but everybody else was. More precisely, the europeans were invaders rather than immigrants, since they didn't ask permission to enter. Then they created a political entity and accepted immigrants from other places. While relegating the actual owners to second class status.
Moe: "Why don't you get a toupee with some brains in it?" <whack!>
Right. Not that colonization and conquest were unheard of before Columbus, but neither were they universal, and in any case, if someone is Native American then their claim is still prior to those of the US unless they moved after the creation of its borders, to somewhere other than their traditional land. One might consider the Yaqui of Tucson or to be immigrants, for instance, though inarguably refugees as well.
"The truth about stories is that's all we are" ~Thomas King