Secular Café Archive

[quote=""Jobar""]It's prudent to keep in mind that no matter how much we know, we're still a near-instantaneous tiny dot on a tiny dot. There's more we don't know, than that we know. I've posted this link many times before, GIA. It's some of the best advice on dealing with religi...

[quote=""Ozymandias""] Educated, yes. Smarter, no. There is a difference you know. I*f you are smart that is. Sorry, I don't mean to be offensive, but that is also clearly not true. The only way you can think this to be true is by having a very selective definition of "smart...

[quote=""Jackrabbit""] Most Christians apostates that I have talked to say that the main reason they left the church was due to hell. That belief causes many mental problems. I don't think I ever really believed that hell was real. Not the one they were talking about, anyway. I c...

[quote=""Jackrabbit""]One factor that should be addressed is lack of choice. Children are forced to go to church whether they want to or not. True, they may not want to attend school either, but after it's all over nearly all recognize that they really needed it to fully live lif...

[quote=""Politesse""]
It's not false indignation. I find this opinion contemptible in every respect.[/quote]

I find this contemptible. Do you?

Or do you think that that is a good way to teach about the supernatural?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LACyLTsH4ac

Regards
DL

[quote=""Koyaanisqatsi""] I don't think you or Koy understand what a serious allegation child abuse is Hey, great, the high horse strawman. That’s usually only reserved as your last ditch effort. If you are throwing it around, you are advocating the breaking up of families as a t...

[quote=""Hermit""] We all contribute to the Noble Lie that religions are worthy of respect, be we theists, or non-believers who ignore that their taxes make up the shortfall that religious exemptions cause. "We all"? Maybe you do. I respect no religion. None. And I resp...

[quote=""Ozymandias""] How do you compassionately tell a supernatural believing person that they are borderline stupid? I am 100% certain that I personally know "supernatural believing people" who are smarter than you. What should that tell us?[/QUOTE] Educated, yes. Sm...

[quote=""Politesse""] Did you notice my, --- "Ask any gay or woman who has been victimized by religious homophobia". Regards DL If there is any gay man who has not experienced the same, then the world really has changed since I was growing up in it.[/QUOTE] There is les...

[quote=""Politesse""] To all. No children were removed from their parents when the courts threw I.D. out of schools. No children would be removed from parents if the lying priests, preachers and imams were forced to stop lying either. We do not let schools lie to our children and...

[quote=""Hermit""] Religious lies. Why do we knowingly accept them? You mean we (however you mean by"we") accept ( whatever you mean by "accept") lies even though we know they are lies? If so, how common do you think this phenomenon is, and do you think it onl...

[quote=""Politesse""] I know we are not the we that the OP means, but humans are really good at believing things that they want to be true. How else do you explain how the orange mess became president of the US? And then there's the old line from an old "Seinfeld" episo...

To all. No children were removed from their parents when the courts threw I.D. out of schools. No children would be removed from parents if the lying priests, preachers and imams were forced to stop lying either. We do not let schools lie to our children and should not let other institutions do it e...

[quote=""Politesse""]I do not think that our Supreme Court would find a small minority group's interpretation of "child abuse" to be more important than a constitutional right, on balance. After all, if they started taking children away from Christians because atheists ...

[quote=""Loren Pechtel""] Plenty of Republicans are creationists. Indeed. Are you saying that being deluded is a good thing? Remember that Bush went to war because God told him to. Regards DL I'm saying a creationist isn't going to have a problem with a creationist for president....

[quote=""dancer_rnb""] The belief is all that matters. That is what causes the harm, whether an actual god exists or not. No argument, but how do you convince theists that they are believing ling clergy when they think/are conditioned to think they are listening to honest people?...

[quote=""dancer_rnb""] Religious lies. Why do we knowingly accept them? You mean we (however you mean by"we") accept ( whatever you mean by "accept") lies even though we know they are lies? If so, how common do you think this phenomenon is, and do you think it...

[quote=""Koyaanisqatsi""] The problem is that you’re dealing with cult inculcation, not intelligence. Some of the smartest people in history have nevertheless been theists and that’s because they have been brainwashed (for lack of a better term) since birth, so it’s a different a...

[quote=""dancer_rnb""]Just wait until some theist decides to deprogram you. :eek: [/quote] Many have tried but all they end up saying is that I have to have ---- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cs3Pvmmv0E and quote me these. Martin Luther did. “Faith must trample under foot all ...

[quote=""Koyaanisqatsi""]Who would you sue?[/quote]

Governments control the religions within their borders and they would have to be persuaded to initiate new laws.

Think of the Intelligent Design case which forced that foolish notion out of schools.

Regards
DL

[quote=""sohy""]I know we are not the we that the OP means, but humans are really good at believing things that they want to be true. How else do you explain how the orange mess became president of the US? And then there's the old line from an old "Seinfeld" episode. &q...

[quote=""Hermit""] Religious lies. Why do we knowingly accept them? You mean we (however you mean by"we") accept ( whatever you mean by "accept") lies even though we know they are lies? If so, how common do you think this phenomenon is, and do you think it onl...

[quote=""Politesse""] Did you post this on the right forum? :rolling: I think so. Where should I talk of religious lies if not in the religion part of this forum? Regards DL No, I mean the whole forum. Not too many fans of religious lies on SC, as a general rule.[/QUOTE] Then my ...

[quote=""Koyaanisqatsi""] The belief is all that matters. That is what causes the harm, whether an actual god exists or not. Exactly. Mystical thinking (the indoctrinated belief that magic is real, essentially) is the primary cause behind man’s inhumanity to man. Manipulating sol...

[quote=""Jackrabbit""]The belief is all that matters. That is what causes the harm, whether an actual god exists or not.[/quote] No argument, but how do you convince theists that they are believing ling clergy when they think/are conditioned to think they are listening to honest ...