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Okay, adam, I apologize. What was your point? You made claims about God's kids, so you, dunno, are you like honest?

[quote=""adampjr""] Yeah. God is not our father? Jeez :) , you haven't thought this through yet. well, if your taking christianity on its face enough to talk about god doing eternal damnation, yuo should include with that that not everyone is God;s "kids." The ones who ...

Yeah. God is not our father? Jeez , you haven't thought this through yet.

[quote=""G.R.A. Garner""]It is not stupid. Such things as one's perception of beauty is grounded in truth. As the poet said: “‘Beauty is truth, truth beauty’ - that is all/Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.” Keats, “Ode on a Grecian Urn” (1819). It is - it must be - of Na...

Who sends their kids to eternal damnation.

But, Lion, traffic lights can do that stuff. Do they have inner voices?

Consciousness can just mean awareness, which clearly doesn't need language in order to exist. But it also can mean self-awareness, which involves some lobes all firing up, and language is involved.

The first four are about God. And then take care of your parents, and don't kill, cheat, steal, lie or want your neighbors stuff. I'd cut out the first four, and add one to take care of your dogs.

This subject should be fun to talk about. There is some batshit controversy over what qualia refers to, but it definitely refers to something. Anyone have some better words to use?

[quote=""Barefoot Bree""]It depends on which Christian you ask - seriously.[/quote]
Is there a branch of Christianity which says that behaving good will get us into heaven? Regardless of what we believe?

[quote=""mood2""]A) I'd be surprised if memory evolved before qualia, for the reasons I've given and haven't been contested. [/quote]
I'd be like, of course we have feelings before we have memories. It's hard to find a base-line in this thread.

[quote=""G.R.A. Garner""]Consciousness is inextricably bound to our use of language. Without language, you cannot know what you feel. [/quote]
Consciousness can't exist without words?

[quote=""adampjr""]...I don't think any Christians would characterize their beliefs as "God wants you to follow this religion." I personally view the teachings of Christianity to be less "follow this religion" than "live like this and repent from these wr...

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That's from my kid. A puzzler, I guess.

[quote=""Barefoot Bree""] So when I tell you that the apple tastes sweet, crunchy, etc., you access your memories that you've associated with those words over all the years of your life, and build a mental image of the experience. Then, when you taste it yourself, you compare tha...

Life is precious. So let's propogate.

I was being flip. About Ruskin. But the idea that there is no difference between subjective and objective is fucking stupid.

[quote=""neilstone40""]I'd just go for one and steal SC's mantra of "Don't be a jerk". Pretty much covers it for me.[/quote]
Quit being a jerk!

See the problem yet.

[quote=""G.R.A. Garner""]To the extent that it attempts to distinguish the "objective" versus the "subjective," I think that it is meaningless. Ruskin thought that the terms “objective” and “subjective” were, metaphysically speaking, meaningless.[/quote] We're...

[quote=""phands""] It is a meaningless term. Rubbish....it is a term loaded with meaning. The trouble is that there seem to be as many meanings are there users of the word. :evil: [/QUOTE] Like the word "life". It's hard to pin down, but that doesn't mean it doesn't ref...

[quote=""G.R.A. Garner""]It is a meaningless term.[/quote]
Why do you say that? There has to be some term to identify the stuff that is felt.

[quote=""Aupmanyav""] .. it all came back to the point that life was meaningless; .. Perhaps the universe is meaningless. Life does have meaning.[quote=""toker""]Is that a bad thing, necessarily? These people who CHOOSE to believe things, without really caring...

Star scream!

But you guys wrap it up in some sort of agenda.

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I don't see a problem with the word or the concept.