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by DrZoidberg
Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:11 pm
Forum: Philosophy & Morality
Topic: Eastern vs Western Philosophy
Replies: 104
Views: 15069

[quote=""Rie""]I think that the Eastern Philosophers are totally self centred... and in this day of knowledge of the vastness of the Universe, it just doesn't cover the sense of awe ... Hey! just taking a breath is magic.[/quote] But isn't the same true for anybody describing any...
by DrZoidberg
Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:20 am
Forum: Secular Lifestyles & Issues
Topic: Going back to God
Replies: 87
Views: 20668

[quote=""Michel""] I thought: No, it can't be! Then I started reading my wife's childhood Bible and ... it was all true! So many horrible stories in the Bible. How about Lot, loosing his wife as God turned her into a statue of salt. Then Lot's daughters felt sorry for him and the...
by DrZoidberg
Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:18 am
Forum: Secular Lifestyles & Issues
Topic: Going back to God
Replies: 87
Views: 20668

[quote=""Jobar""]Justme, have you ever actually read the whole Bible, cover to cover? There are good parts of it, certainly. I've always quite liked Ecclesiastes, for example. But most of it is just awful- poor writing, poor ethics, poor philosophy. Just try to plow through Levit...
by DrZoidberg
Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:28 pm
Forum: Secular Lifestyles & Issues
Topic: Going back to God
Replies: 87
Views: 20668

[quote=""subsymbolic""] What makes you believe the people who wrote the bible knew God? It's a package deal. One can't believe that the God that is described in the Bible without the Bible, because he is introduced to you by that same Bible. I'm not going to say it works for ever...
by DrZoidberg
Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:47 pm
Forum: Creation & Alternative Science
Topic: Debunk Intelligent Design
Replies: 96
Views: 19703

[quote=""Michel""] Of course, we don't know what consciousness is. But, unless you believe in a divine creation, it must have come slowly as a step in evolution. right? For example, when I mow the lawn, first time, each spring, I cut the dandelions but, two weeks later, the have ...
by DrZoidberg
Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:35 am
Forum: Creation & Alternative Science
Topic: Debunk Intelligent Design
Replies: 96
Views: 19703

[quote=""Michel""] I mean, the universe must be finite or infinite. If it is infinite, there isn't a smallest and biggest part: going into the microcosme and macrocosme for ever ... strange! In my humble opinion, only a finite yet unbound universe makes sense, doesn't it? [/quote...
by DrZoidberg
Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:23 pm
Forum: Creation & Alternative Science
Topic: Debunk Intelligent Design
Replies: 96
Views: 19703

[quote=""Michel""] Nietzsche predates the theory of relativity and quantum mechanics. Yes but ... what do you think about the idea that, if the universe is not created, it must be eternal and, therefore, what can happen, will happen? Of course, we ate talking about billions, or r...
by DrZoidberg
Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:23 pm
Forum: Creation & Alternative Science
Topic: Debunk Intelligent Design
Replies: 96
Views: 19703

[quote=""Michel""] But Nietzsche was an atheist and a materialist. So we know that he didn't believe in either heaven or the eternal return. I never read the book, DrZoidberg, but, from what I understand, Nietzsche thought that, if God doesn't exist, the universe was not created ...
by DrZoidberg
Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:14 am
Forum: Creation & Alternative Science
Topic: Debunk Intelligent Design
Replies: 96
Views: 19703

[quote=""Michel""] I became interested in Nietzsche after reading about his Eternal Recurrence. It seems to make sense. What do you think? [/quote] I think it's a metaphor. In Thus So Zarathustra Nietzsche uses Zoroaster as a juxtaposition to western thought. Nietzsche gets lots ...
by DrZoidberg
Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:32 pm
Forum: Creation & Alternative Science
Topic: Debunk Intelligent Design
Replies: 96
Views: 19703

[quote=""Michel""] He he... well.. I'm not a humanist. To me humanism is the first wave of post Christian secularists. okay... thank you for the link, talking about both Nietzsche and Marx, two people I try to understand. But then, it was a friend who called me first, a humanist....
by DrZoidberg
Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:43 am
Forum: Creation & Alternative Science
Topic: Debunk Intelligent Design
Replies: 96
Views: 19703

[quote=""Michel""] Well... That's nice. But you're still basically talking about mostly middle-class westerners. I hate to rain on your parade, but we don't matter that much. I see humanists as the people pointing as the ship goes down saying "I told you so. You should have ...
by DrZoidberg
Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:53 pm
Forum: Creation & Alternative Science
Topic: Debunk Intelligent Design
Replies: 96
Views: 19703

[quote=""Michel""] We've simply got statistics against us. I understand. But when the Titanic sank, in 1912, the Christians were looking at the sky, praying God to save them. The UFOlogists were also looking at the sky, trying to spot the flying saucer that would come and rescue ...
by DrZoidberg
Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:16 pm
Forum: Creation & Alternative Science
Topic: Debunk Intelligent Design
Replies: 96
Views: 19703

[quote=""Michel""] My hopes for humanity surviving to 3000 AD are not good. I mean.. Trump got elected president by members of this species. That's not any sign of intelligence. If the robots would take over, I doubt we'd be worse off. My dear DrZoidberg, do you remember the 1950...
by DrZoidberg
Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:47 am
Forum: Creation & Alternative Science
Topic: Debunk Intelligent Design
Replies: 96
Views: 19703

[quote=""Michel""] When people like Elon Musk worries about AI taking over and killing us. ... and this is what really worries me, as a grand-father, after asking last year to 60 teenagers, what they think the world will be in the year 3000. The came with exactly that answer: &qu...
by DrZoidberg
Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:05 am
Forum: Secular Lifestyles & Issues
Topic: Going back to God
Replies: 87
Views: 20668

[quote=""justme""] What makes you believe the people who wrote the bible knew God? It's a package deal. One can't believe that the God that is described in the Bible without the Bible, because he is introduced to you by that same Bible. I'm not going to say it works for everyone,...
by DrZoidberg
Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:36 pm
Forum: Secular Lifestyles & Issues
Topic: Going back to God
Replies: 87
Views: 20668

[quote=""Roo St. Gallus""] So, Doc... Do you teach early Christian history, or are you a classicist whose period overlaps with Christian development? Professional, or amateur? I am an amateur who got involved in the Quest studies in the mid-1990s. I think that Burton Mack's work ...
by DrZoidberg
Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:09 pm
Forum: Creation & Alternative Science
Topic: Debunk Intelligent Design
Replies: 96
Views: 19703

[quote=""Michel""] Ah, Artificial Intelligence! I love that discussion too! If I build a computer as complex as a human brain, let it pick up ideas on the internet, then ask it: "Are you conscious?" and it answers: "Yes, of course!" do I have a mean of proving...
by DrZoidberg
Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:19 am
Forum: Secular Lifestyles & Issues
Topic: Going back to God
Replies: 87
Views: 20668

[quote=""Roo St. Gallus""]So, Doc... Do you teach early Christian history, or are you a classicist whose period overlaps with Christian development? Professional, or amateur? I am an amateur who got involved in the Quest studies in the mid-1990s. I think that Burton Mack's work i...
by DrZoidberg
Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:56 am
Forum: Secular Lifestyles & Issues
Topic: Going back to God
Replies: 87
Views: 20668

[quote=""Koyaanisqatsi""] Early Christianity was very aggressive and belligerent. There's historical reasons for this. Yeah, they were an insurrectionist movement. Most likely a Zealots derivative; what we would call “freedom fighters” and the Romans would have called (in modern ...
by DrZoidberg
Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:49 pm
Forum: Creation & Alternative Science
Topic: Debunk Intelligent Design
Replies: 96
Views: 19703

[quote=""Hermit""] I mentioned it early in the thread, but the ultimate (IMO) debunking of ID came at the Kitzmiller vs Dover trial. You should read the transcripts. Take your time, they are quite lengthy, but also very entertaining. That's not true. I think it was 1871 that the ...
by DrZoidberg
Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:51 pm
Forum: Creation & Alternative Science
Topic: Debunk Intelligent Design
Replies: 96
Views: 19703

[quote=""Worldtraveller""]I mentioned it early in the thread, but the ultimate (IMO) debunking of ID came at the Kitzmiller vs Dover trial. You should read the transcripts. Take your time, they are quite lengthy, but also very entertaining.[/quote] That's not true. I think it was...
by DrZoidberg
Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:16 am
Forum: Secular Lifestyles & Issues
Topic: Going back to God
Replies: 87
Views: 20668

[quote=""Koyaanisqatsi""]It’s funny that they took such great care and yet every Christian apologist always falls back on the “they had to change the story to be more Roman friendly so as to avoid persecution” dodge whenever you point out that there was no way in hell Pilate woul...
by DrZoidberg
Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:49 pm
Forum: Secular Lifestyles & Issues
Topic: Going back to God
Replies: 87
Views: 20668

[quote=""Hermit""]Conspiracy? Who mentioned conspiracy? I simply pointed out that the "regular people" were not merely not supposed to read the Bible - they were not meant to understand what was written in it either. At best they were meant to listen to and accept the i...
by DrZoidberg
Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:57 am
Forum: Secular Lifestyles & Issues
Topic: Going back to God
Replies: 87
Views: 20668

[quote=""Hermit""] The idea that the Bible was written for regular people to read is ridiculous. It was written to be read out aloud by experts and interpreted. Just like in any Christian mass. Most early Christians would never be able to even touch a Bible. Let alone read it. No...
by DrZoidberg
Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:18 am
Forum: Creation & Alternative Science
Topic: Debunk Intelligent Design
Replies: 96
Views: 19703

[quote=""Koyaanisqatsi""]I know I’ve posted this before, but there is a difference between free will and free agency that almost always gets lost in any such discussions. Free will is a Catholic apologetic designed to spackle over the rather glaring logical hole in the dogma of a...