Secular Café Archive

too much!

fed up

Man, if Oprah runs, expect all of the attack adds to include the clip of her going "YOU get a car, and YOU get a car, EVERYBODY GETS A CAR!" A more perfect visual metaphor for the conservative position on what liberals think and want could not be crafted.

I do like her, though!

[quote=""Rome""]Oprah doesn't have political experience. She had some good qualities. She could perhaps do well in Congress, but she is not adequately prepared for all the responsibilities of the Oval Office.[/quote] I think this is going to be a serious problem for the remainder...

[quote=""Koyaanisqatsi""]And again you avoid the point to argue something irrelevant to the conversation.[/quote]If talking about what everyone who cares about the book values about it is "avoiding the point", perhaps that is an occasion for you to reflect on whether yo...

[quote=""Koyaanisqatsi""] A symbol is a way of non-literally portraying a true thing :bang: Goddamnit, Poli what is the point of this deliberately disingenuous equivocation bullshit? A “true thing”? Was there a talking snake? No. That was fictional. Made up. Did not exist. It was...

[quote=""Koyaanisqatsi""]Yes, it does, but not in the equivocal sense you keep trying to slip in. The fictional part is the “symbolism and allegory” part, but that, of course is the whole shooting match. [/quote]You are the only person talking about any part of this being "f...

[quote=""Koyaanisqatsi""]The strawman was based on the fact that I said, “What you are saying, in effect...” and you then leaving off the “in effect” qualifier.[/quote]I did not say that in effect, either. Your idea that I or anyone else considers Genesis to be "fiction"...

[quote=""Koyaanisqatsi""]And you are, of course, once again stuffing a strawman to avoid the point.[/quote] This is just getting ridiculous. Pointing out that I never said something that I did not, in fact, say, cannot rationally be considered a "strawman". I'm not goin...

[quote=""Koyaanisqatsi""]Yes, it does, but not in the equivocal sense you keep trying to slip in. The fictional part is the “symbolism and allegory” part, but that, of course is the whole shooting match. [/quote]You are the only person talking about any part of this being "f...

[quote=""Koyaanisqatsi""]Let’s simplify further. You are saying, in effect, that Star Wars is all obviously made up, but then when it comes to the sequel to Star Wars , now, suddenly, the same characters that were in/referenced in Star Wars are NOW based on real people and real e...

If they commit fraud, sure.

Regina Fringe

Another forum. I'm not fond of the idea personally, but what can one do? I do understand why the leadership is on favor, and indeed sympathize.

Hello Rome. Of course you are remembered. It has been fairly quiet here of late. Some things you missed: Many long-standing members more or less disappearing. DMB's death :( https://secularcafe.org/showthread.php?t=38773 Our planned merge with TFT. https://secularcafe.org/showthread.php?t=39263

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Face time

[quote=""Koyaanisqatsi""] A book can easily be about something real without being factually accurate in every detail. We all know this. This has never—not one single time—been in question or under contention. [/quote]Then why are you so confused about my position? I'm not elevati...

[quote=""Koyaanisqatsi""] This thread is, in general, making a hash of soteriology, and generalizing as "normative" for all Christians a theory which is actually held only by some of them. That is simply false. It is in fact “normative” precisely because it is held by t...

[quote=""Koyaanisqatsi""] I've provided several sources explaining the Eastern perspective Who cares!? That has absolutely NOTHING to do with the point, which was that you were WRONG when you said that only “some” Christians believe in sacrificial atonement. :d unno: YOU. WERE. W...

France did produce some very passionate Jesuit missionaries, back further in US history. Was recently reading the letters of one Pierre Biard, S.J. in connection with some other research, it was a fascinating bit of historical drama. One cannot deny that they had guts, if put to a questionable purpo...

Didn't even realize that was possible! Granted, most French people I meet are tourists or exchange students, but I have never known them to be a deeply religious nation.

[quote=""Koyaanisqatsi""]When pressed on such a contradiction and what exactly that could mean, the answer (not just from you; from any cult member) invariable is the same quicksilver evasion of, “Well, meaning can be derived from any allegory.” Of course that’s true, but that is...

[quote=""Koyaanisqatsi""] Well, yeah. That really doesn't say a lot. Where are you finding "sacrificed as an act of substitutionary penal atonement" in those five words? :facepalm: It’s a new low, even for you, Poli. And you’re still avoiding the point , which is that y...

[quote=""Koyaanisqatsi""] he was crucified for us That bit that states that Jesus was killed for us ? That bit? But please continue to evade the point; which was that you were wrong about how only “some” Christians believe in sacrificial atonement when in fact the overwhelming ma...